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I am currently leading a group of ladies in a study on consecration, using Havergal’s Kept for the Master’s Use (a verse by verse discussion of her hymn, “Take My Life and Let It Be”). The chapter we are now perusing has to do with the line, “Take my will and make it thine—it shall be no longer mine.” That, in essence, is the theme of this book. Though the idea of self denial is not one that has women alone in the Scripture’s crosshairs, Kathie Reimer and her daughter, Lisa Whittle, discuss from a feminine viewpoint seven seeming paradoxes in the Word of God:
- Have a single focus, yet multi-task
- Be tolerant toward some things, yet intolerant toward others
- Fail, and simultaneously succeed
- Proceed, while also waiting
- Hold on and, in turn, let go
- Lead, and still follow
- Die, and consequently, live more abundantly
An apt sub-title for this book would be, What It Looks Like for Christian Women to Deny Self.
Strengths
The chapters themselves are not deep in scriptural discussion for the most part, although Kathie (my favorite of the two authors) tends to offer more to chew on. Most of the book consists in offering what Kathie calls “snapshots” (ch. 7) of how dethroning self will appear in the life of the woman desiring to follow Christ.
If you are looking for sermon illustrations on the topic, this book is chock full of them. There are also some pithy one-liners such as, “Faith is confidence that something or someone is reliable” (p. 157); “The journey to the end of ourselves is a great and necessary place for all of us to go” (p. 78); “Your tongue, when unregulated, is a natural disaster” (p. 52); and “The one last human freedom that remains available to a man, after everything else has been stripped from him is his ability to choose the way he will react to his circumstances” (here quoting Dr. Viktor Frankl, p. 29).
I liked Lisa’s take on submission in Chapter 6 (“Lead and Follow”):
For many of us wives, our view of being submissive to our husbands tends to be somewhat skewed. We look at it as intrusive, controlling, humiliating; but it is not. Submission requires strength, not weakness. It takes courage. It requires a strong belief and trust that God knew what he was doing when he established this ‘chain of command’ back in the days of Adam and Eve. (p. 155)
I was pleased that each chapter offers a substantial list of Scriptures for further study, along with application questions. My inclination would have been to spend more time discussing these verses, rather than offering so many personal sketches for observation.
The final chapter (“Die and Live”) is, appropriately, the most lengthy. I feel it would also have been effective to place it first. The question of dying to self and living unto God really provides the tools for success in the other six contrasting areas.
I enjoyed Kathie’s application of each of the preceding “hard things” and how they come into play with regard to what some often see as the hardest thing—sharing our faith. Readers will find good scriptural discussion from the Gospels there.
Weaknesses
One thing I found objectionable was a repeated setting up by both authors of Mother Teresa as an example. Yes, she led a sacrificial life, but for what purpose? With what ultimate motivation? Where is she now? Are there not good, solid, evangelical heroes of the faith to choose from without looking to the Roman Catholic Church? Someone else who worked selflessly in Mother Teresa’s native India comes to mind: missionary Amy Carmichael.
Various translations (NKJV, KJV, NIV, NASB, NLT) are used in the book. Discussions of particular Scriptures that were weak at times, or absent altogether. For instance, in explaining Colossians 3:2 in Chapter 1, Kathie states that setting your affections on things above means “to fall deeply in love with Jesus”—an expression that is not only inaccurate in this case, but which also uses a sentimentality that makes me squirm. She further refers to Jesus as “our loving, heavenly parent.” Parent? These references are both in the first chapter, which made me wonder if I was to slog through this type of thing throughout the whole book. Later on, Kathie posits of Psalm 55:22,
To all of us Jesus says, “Cast your burdens and cares upon me—and I will sustain you”—a promise from the one who cannot lie. To “cast” means we have to let go [I understand this to be correctly translated “to throw or fling”, which has a very different dynamic], and, like so many other verses in the Bible, this one is very likely a continuing action verb, not just a one-time-will-do-it word.” (p. 110, emphasis mine)
Jesus says? And, I wonder—is there a reason we are guessing about verb tenses? I understand this meaning could be implied, but she develops this idea of continued action even further, so would it not have been the better part of wisdom to find out for sure first? These “warm fuzzies” and “guesstimations” are what drive me away from this type of book and toward plain old study tools, time and time again.
I sensed a bit of incongruence between mother and daughter on the concept of self love/self hatred. Kathie tends to lay it out in Jim Berg-like fashion (low “self esteem” is rooted in covetous comparison and a selfish sense of entitlement), while Lisa addresses self-hatred as being a viable something that springs from self love (p. 55). It came across as sort of a psycho-babble/biblical counseling hybrid. I have perceived from various books and biblical counseling materials that self-loathing is not hatred at all, but rather a morbidly ironic manifestation of loving one’s self exceedingly. “I want________ to change; I don’t have ________; I’ll never be ____________” all seem to be at the root. This is self absorption masquerading in martyr’s clothes, a self-deception the Adversary relishes, no doubt. I’m with Kathie on this one.
Toward the end of the book, there is an interesting illustration regarding da Vinci’s “Last Supper.”
He asked a friend for an evaluation. The friend heaped superlatives on the masterpiece and especially praised the wine cup by the Lord’s hand. At that point, Leonardo da Vinci blotted out the cup. “Nothing,” he was said to have answered, “should distract one’s attention from the Lord.” (p 149)
This was my own personal paradox while reading this book—experiencing a draw toward spiritual ideas while often feeling distracted away from the Scriptures by creative analogies and entertaining or touching stories. Analogy and illustrations have their place, without a doubt, but I was disappointed that the greater portion of the book was typified by this, rather than deliberate inviting of the reader into a prevailing, deeper understanding of what Scripture says. I think I’ll stick to my friends, the dead guys.
Diane Heeney is a stay-at-home mom, who enjoys some freelance writing, blogging, and speaking for ladies’ retreats and functions. She received her BA (Church Ministries) in ‘85 grad from Bob Jones University and went on to serve at BJU as a secretary in the Extension office and later as Director of Girl’s Extension Ministries. Diane and her husband Patrick have helped a number of churches in the past 16 years, and are now assisting the ministry of a growing church in Lander, Wyoming. They have three children: Erin (breathlessly awaiting 13), Michael (all camo, all the time at 9), and Kate (their sweet surprise, now 3 yrs old).
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I loved the list of seven paradoxes. How absolutely true.I agree with this interpretation.
Is this the same Kathie Reimer that wrote [URL=http://www.amazon.com/1001-Ways-Introduce-Child-Bible/dp/080543836X/ref…] 1001 Ways to Introduce Your Child to the Bible[/URL]? I remember it as having some good ideas (I used to teach a 2-3 yr old class) but I think the lessons say they are geared for kids as old as 8. IMO, if a kid is still singing ‘Bible’ songs to the tune of Three Blind Mice at 8 years old, the train has done left the station.
Thanks for the review, Diane.
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Apparently I’m not the only one who tired of the “stories”. Here is http://www.discerningreader.com/book-reviews/the-7-hardest-things-god-a…] another review I found this morning, at Discerning Reader.
And, I concur with you…it was the list itself in the Table of Contents that grabbed my attention and then gave me the forward momentum when I had to strap on the hip boots.
What are your favorite “steak” authors for women?
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Aw, now I done drug it out into the light, hain’t I? :X
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NewLoaded question :)
To clarify- I know that Dr. Laura is not a Christian, but her stuff is meaty in a different way that I find appealing.
I have to admit that I am excessively intolerant in this area- as soon as a I see a book that is tootie-frootie pink, covered with roses or a cartoon figure of a woman in curlers, I often don’t bother looking at it further. I probably miss some good stuff because of it, but I am seriously allergic to cute. I don’t even like kittens. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php] http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked009.gif
The cover of the book you reviewed would appeal to me, and I’d read it based on the outline.
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NewSusan R wrote: My favorites
Have you read anything by Elizabeth George? Cynthia Heald? Martha Peace? I have friends who have recommended books by them. Someone gave me “The Excellent Wife” by Martha Peace…but I haven’t gotten to it yet.
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NewI enjoyed this review
I just finished the new Nancy Leigh DeMoss book, Choosing Gratitude, and found it to be sufficiently “meaty”. It was so refreshing compared to the last book I reviewed for Thomas Nelson, Find your Strongest Life. I read it because they sent it to me, but I’m sad to report that after reading it I actually became dumber :)
Practical Theology for Women by Wendy Alsup has gotten very good reviews. I know she is a woman who has had enough cutesy books for women. I plan to read her book in the near future.
I’m waiting to buy a book by Diane Heeney. I bet there would be some real depth to her manuscript!
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Wow…thanks for the compliment. :8) I don’t know yet if I am in that season of life to devote myself to a book. I had a hard enough time completing this review…but part of that was because of the time of year and the fact that I found it a bit tedious.
Elisabeth Elliot wrote to a young mother (I’m not “young” per se, but I have kids the same age as young mothers!) that it was wise to read great things during this season of life, to get a feel for substance and cadence. That is what I am endeavoring to do. She also advised that just because it has already been said (written) doesn’t mean it that it does not need to be said again…for the present generation. I think that is a wise observation, and it is also a consolation to me. I don’t have many new things to say that superb authors have not already eloquently addressed…but perhaps I can say them in a new way that is more applicable/absorbable for today.
I enjoy your writing as well (and this is not just a “mutual admiration club” as my Dad would say; I mean that sincerely)…perhaps we both ought to be on the watch for what God may want us to say, and, in the meantime, give ourselves to a steady diet of meaty, inspiring stuff. Do you have any opinions on the authors/works I mentioned above?
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NewNancy Leigh DeMoss is
You also can’t do better than Elisabeth Elliot.
NewAnn B. wrote: Nancy Leigh
I know what you are saying about the “thrown together” idea…I think it is remarkable that someone such as Nancy can be such a prolific writer, but not be turning out slap-dash material. I think it is excellent commentary on how she views her writing—as a ministry rather than a cash cow. I have high regard for that.
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NewAuthors and stories
Another helpful and meaty source (especially for homeschoolers) is Steve and Teri Maxwell’s site at [URL=http://www.titus2.com/corners/ Titus2.com[/URL]. I also read [URL=http://theologyforwomen.blogspot.com/ Wendy Alsup’s blog[/URL] - loved her post about [URL=http://theologyforwomen.blogspot.com/2010/01/impulse-control.html Impulse Control[/URL].
I do think there is value in stories and illustrations, especially personal ones or those from real life (not the sappy ones that get passed around through email). I reserved Women Who Do Too Much by Patricia Sprinkle from the library, and read the first couple of chapters this morning. In her testimony I saw reflections of my own struggles, and her explanation of how God dealt with her and those around her was encouraging.
But sometimes stories are a way of not landing the point. IOW, you can circle the field forever with one anecdote after another, and “Ha ha ha, isn’t that great”, and for a few minutes you feel good because you had a laugh (Prov. 17:22)- but it isn’t until you use Scripture that you actually LAND the thing and the Holy Spirit can bring conviction. I think sometimes women are afraid of being though of as harsh- we’re supposed to be soft and sweet and not hurt anyone’s feelings. But I don’t think making one’s point in a straightforward manner is unfeminine. Don’t ‘soften the blow’ with too much sentimentality or humor- let the Sword pierce the heart, KWIM?
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I would highly recommend both Nancy Leigh DeMoss & Elisabeth Elliot. Elliot especially does a good job of adressing women’s issues fully without making single women feel like incomplete or fringe Christians.
NewSusan R wrote: Another
Like anything else, this is about balance. I love humor. I like to smile. One of my students at BJ said that I “teach through my teeth”…hard sayings can be softened by the countenance without laying a finger on, or weakening, content. Anyone who visits my blog will know that. But funny stories and cartoons are not the majority of what I offer. Mostly it is what I am learning. Things that smack me in the face when I read them. Experiences that have the fingerprints of God upon them, which I feel accountable to share. Gems and quotes I come across that would burn a hole in my pocket if I tried to keep them there.
You know, I’m thinking that this easily translates over into the realm of preaching too. I have heard (no doubt everyone here has too) preachers who peppered their sermons with jokes and stories that are entirely unrelated to the matter at hand, and sometimes are also entirely inappropriate for them to dispense in the first place, for the gaining of a few laughs, or to endear the audience to themselves. I get restless with preaching that is all story and no scripture. I admit to having come out of some Bible Conference services feeling, “Why did you waste our time like this?” There is a different dynamic here than perhaps with preaching, but the idea is the same. Be sure what you’ve got to say is constructive, marinated in the Spirit, and true to the Word. God never wastes time, and neither should we. The summer will soon be ended.
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While I will probably not be reading the book, the reality is that most/all of the paradoxes mentioned are also very relevant to the lives of men, as well.
I was mainly breaking in to comment that Diane has hit the nail on the head in regards to her preaching comment. Would to God more of us preachers would learn what she has said so well in this one paragraph.Amen!
In Christ,
Pastor Frank Sansone
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I think for writing a book or blog- because you have so much time to research and rewrite- the standard could be even higher when it comes to thoroughly studied and supported content.
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Thank you for your kind words. Carpe diem isn’t just for old philosophers, is it?
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So, I’ve seen it overdone. I’ve also seen it done too sparingly and the man behind the pulpit seemed to be a shell and not a real person. I like to know the speaker better at the end of the message as well as knowing his text better. Not because it’s about him, but because I can read the text for myself. I want to know how it has impacted him. When it all works well, I don’t just know a man and a text better but I know the God of the man and the text better.
(I try to preach that way, too, but have no clue at all if I’m succeeding :) )
I suspect the excessively cutesy and lace and potpourri stuff in women’s lit./speaking is a bit that way also: for some, it probably helps. There may be some generational trends there also so that it works better for certain groups than others. If it’s helping, I don’t think it’s a waste of time, but I think I understand the excesses you’re referring to. Ultimately, there’s no substitute for the real goods and the rest is only of value if it helps make things more clear or more “sticky” in our minds.
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NewSusan R wrote: I agree, Bro.
If it is the Word of God that changes people’s lives, then stories of personal experience isn’t really what they need to hear (mostly).
As to the comment by (aaron? I think…I’m not looking at it), one missionary friend pointed out that if they didn’t have a preacher that at least the congregation could get together and read scripture for half an hour. That would be something!
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Becky- I’ve admitted a major lack of patience in that area. It’s better for me to leave than to allow my spirit to possibly affect others. Cleaning relaxes me, and I can pray about what I’m thinking and feeling. This doesn’t happen very often nowadays, perhaps because I’ve gotten a grip or the speakers I’ve heard in recent years aren’t going there anymore.
But just as I might walk out of a meeting, I will also put down a book that I find disappointing. My time is precious, just like everyone else’s, and I’m looking to maximize my study time. I appreciate it when a book presents itself as foofy right up front for people who enjoy that (and I do NOT mean to sound condescending- I fear that is how I am coming across- “Susan the Book Snob”)- I do believe that there is value in the books that have an Erma Bombeck flavor… it isn’t like it’s wrong for Christians to have a good time, tell jokes, laugh at funny stories that often give perspective to our successes and failures… my thoughts in this thread have been more about books that seem to present themselves as meatier than they are, at least in my opinion. I do try to stifle my impatience and at least attempt to glean, which can still be profitable.
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NewReading
I’m usually too busy preaching to hear much of what others are preaching so my “sample” is certainly not a good representation of what’s out there in general.
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And the time I least like hearing something funny in church is right after special music. When the special music does prepare hearts for the sermon, the effect of it can just dissolve when a funny story or comment is told right after, especially when it relates to the song or singer.I’m glad to hear you say that, Susan, because as someone who likes pink and lace and such, I was feeling like that was somehow being looked at as inherently less spiritual. I do know what you mean, though, about lightweight “tea cake” books for women rather than the kind with strong meat, and I definitely prefer the latter. I’ve only read a little bit of DeMoss, but everything I’ve read by her so far has been good and meaty.
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NewFeminine- not 'girly'
But let’s face it- sometimes the ‘girly’ is all there is at ladies’ meetings and women’s devotional books, as if that is all we are- someone please save me from illustrations about shopping, receiving flowers, hairstyles, eating chocolate… and last but not least, the idea that “men come and go, but girlfriends are forever”.
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I wonder…is the compulsion toward all the “extras” (tea parties and petits fours, favors, trinkets and foofies) the ladies version of what we notice with children in this generation…needing all sorts of bells and whistles in order to make education “fun” and palatable? (I just read the Lamb’s Shakespeare version of the Merchant of Venice to my kids last week (no pictures, just narrative), and they loved it.)
There’s perhaps something in this equation that is being missed?
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NewWhy is it 'good'?
The compulsion towards ‘extras’ is pervasive- I know it has always been a part of human nature, but it seems that there is an unabashed pursuit of one-upmanship that affects everything from providing a meal for company to birthday parties and baby showers. If someone describes a ladies meeting as ‘wonderful’ because the food was great and the ladies were nice and the decorations were so creative, then we’re off track.
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part of it is human nature to like beautiful things, part of it is perhaps how women have been taught, that its’ our “role” to have an eye for these things as homemakers.
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Marilla: “Trust you for that!”
She does prize that amethyst brooch though…and the rosebud tea set was saved for important company, so she may have had some latent foofiness.
Though I am not a frilly person, I am an expert on all things Anne. :)
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Newnot to beat a dead horse
but for example, when we have our small groups, I refuse to serve our tea in small plastic disposable cups. having a normal tea/coffee cup is a nice little luxury.
our pastor’s wife does a lot of ladies conferences, and we do choose to stay in facilities that are relatively pretty, well-heated, have hot/cold running water, modern showers and toilets, nice food and nice tables and dishes … as opposed to our AWANA kids who stay in a place without electricity, barely heated, off/on hot water, mass showering facilities, cafeteria style eating …
what can i say? it does make me feel more relaxed and special when i stay in the first place rather than the second :D And our pastor’s wife is an excellent Bible teacher. My belabored point is that nice touches don’t necessarily mean no substance. I guess that’s all i’m trying to say …
anne? marilla? … charlie?
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NewNice stuff
If I walk into a room that looks like the event has been planned by a team of Martha Stewarts, and the devotion is “A Recipe for Friendship” that was printed off the internet, with each ingredient representing a quality like sweetness (sugar), I’m going to want to throw a candy dish at someone.
Example of the typical ladies meetings I have personally attended:I’m NOT KIDDING.
So- if there are any brave men who have ventured into this thread, I plead with you to check into the ladies ministries at your church and see exactly what is taking place there. Read the books your wife reads to see if what she is getting is good meat or vanilla milkshakes. Ask if you can read the notes she takes at the ladies Bible study or monthly fellowship. I double dog dare you. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php] http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt013.gif
And if this post sounds goofy, it’s probably because I was up until 1am removing a nasty trojan from my son’s computer, and I’ve only had one cup of coffee.
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Anne, I can certainly understand how having comfortable, attractive lodgings can serve to enhance the experience at a ladies function. To have rested well, because the room was sufficiently warm, and feel “together” because you had a hot shower rather than a cold one that jangled the nerves is valuable. A woman should not feel guilty because she relishes a beautiful tea set (I have a collection of tea cups and pots myself that have all had good use at various functions and many little girl tea parties). Balance. I am not campaigning for asceticism, but we all have to agree that we have a society bent headlong toward hedonism. It knows very little about denying self. How many times have you seen the words “decadent,” “luxurious,” and “lush” used in marketing things to women? This panders to the innate sense of entitlement in each of us.
I don’t feel that pretty things are taboo. God would not have made such a breathtaking world if that were so. But, to my mind, this kinda goes along with the definition of true hospitality…is it about brocade draperies and fancy food? No. It is about people. If a woman’s home is set up like a museum and the impression guests have when they depart is all about the “stuff,” then I wonder if they have experienced hospitality?
My most profound experiences as a guest in someone’s home have not been fraught with frills. As a matter of fact, sitting on a bare wood floor with no refreshments, just whiling the hours in great, godly conversation with a friend and her husband is one of my best memories.
As an author, I have to consider—when someone leaves my book (or blog in my case, at least for now ;) ), have I been hospitable to their soul? Or will they depart having been so distracted with extra amenities (stories, sappy poems, jokes, and shallow object lessons) that they did not have the opportunity to know me or my God more intimately? God forbid.
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Newsusan, i luuuuv this!
I will have to post this somewhere; you should write church bulletin jokes!
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NewI appreciate Anne's thoughts
I remember in one of Isobel Kuhn’s books - can’t remember which one — her refreshment of spirit in being around a group of ladies one furlough, not just spiritually. After being in a stark, barren (in some respects) ministry in the mountains of China, the beauty of their interactions and functions did much for her soul as well as the spiritual nourishment. Edith Schaeffer in The Art of Homemaking makes a good case that, kept in balance with ones time and resources, and keeping the spiritual first and foremost, being decorative around one’s home is a reflection of the creativity and beauty we see that God displayed in creation. He could have made everything just to meet basic needs without also creating beauty in the world, but He did display beauty in creation as well. Again, balance is the key word. I know a few ladies get off balance one way or another.
We only do little table decorations, favors, door prizes, etc. at our annual ladies’ meeting. but the guest speakers I invite are ones that I am sure are not going to have empty messages like the one Susan described.
At our regular monthly ladies’ meeting, we do have a refreshment time which different ladies take turns providing. One month one lady who really does things like that up nicely put on quite a spread, and everyone enjoyed it, but I overheard one lady say, “How am I ever going to come up with anything after this?” So I began to reemphasize that refreshments should be simple. But some months later I wondered if I was stifling some people’s creativity and expression, and I wondered why we can’t just enjoy other people’s gifts without comparing ourselves to them or thinking we have to compete.
We don’t have regular Bible studies, but we might have one or two series a year, and some times people bring refreshments to those, sometimes not, depending on who is leading it. One year we had no refreshments during the weeks we met but had a simple potluck lunch on the last day.
In blogging, I look at my blog as kind of visiting over the fence with neighbors, and when I do so with real life neighbors, we don’t preach each other sermons every time we meet. Sometimes the not-specifically-spiritual exchanges can draw people to one another in a way that then opens the door for a spiritual exchange that would not have taken place if every exchange was strictly “spiritual” exhortation. A former pastor and his wife had an open door with my unsaved father that began when, in meeting, they found out they were originally from little tiny towns near each other in TX. No one had ever heard of the town where he was from, and the fact that she was familiar with it was just one of those little things that God used to break down the barriers a little bit and open his heart to them, and later to the gospel.
I’m having to rush off here, but again, I do understand the need for balance and for substance, but everything with pink and lace and mints and such isn’t in and of itself an indication of emptiness and frothiness. What’s “feminine” versus “girly” is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.
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—A knife is an everyday tool, just like we are all instruments in God’s hands.
—A knife must be sharp, just like we all must try and study to shew ourselves approved unto God.
—A knife cuts things, just like we fundamentalists must divide and separate from things unpleasing to God.
—A knife always has the blade facing inward in a table setting, just like each of us is supposed to be humble and not “cutting” in our personality.
—A knife is always next to the spoon, just like we all need each other in the body of Christ. I’m not sure who that lone fork is.
—A knife is great for eating peas, if you put some honey on it, just like we are always more useful when we have some added sweetness from the Word, which is sweeter than honey.
Anyway, I’m gonna take a shot at starting something over in the ladies forum…another book discussion I think we might all enjoy, and which does not employ the word “foofie” even once. :) Not to say we have to end this one…it might be fun to make a marathon out of it, just to entertain Charlie. :bigsmile:
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New7 things
I do agree that you never know what is going to generate conversation around here. It’s funny when someone tries to analyze why certain threads become popular and others don’t- one can’t make a judgment about about a forum because we don’t know what people are thinking about, reading, experiencing in their lives… and sometimes we don’t want to solve the world’s moral and spiritual problems- we just want to chat with some like-minded people. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php] http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk024.gif
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Newand about those 7 things...
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