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“The greatest protection for our church isn’t the right Christians being in power but rather that our government is denied the authority to decide whether my church is sufficiently Christian.” - J.D. Greear

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Wed, 09/23/26

Perhaps a quicker way of saying what brother Greear notes is "contemplate the results of state supported churches." It's abyssmal.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

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Wed, 09/23/26

I am also not aligned with "our laws are rooted in the Christian worldview". I think that is one way to look at it. But ultimately our laws our rooted in English Common Law, Enlightenment Philosophy and some Greco-Roman traditions. There is a lot of overlap with some of the elements of things like Enlightenment with Christian values, and English Common Law was rooted in Middle Ages forms of Christianity. There is definitely a lot of overlap, but there are also some things that are not aligned with a Christian worldview.

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Thu, 09/24/26

I think it is kind of strange that on a Christian site it seems like some are gleeful that there are a lot of things in our law that are not aligned with a Christian worldview. Perhaps I am reading it wrong, but that just seems a bit cringe. That does not mean I support the state telling churches what to believe, but I also do not glory in the secularization of our nation.

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Fri, 09/25/26

I don’t see any glee.

Well, not about that. I’ll claim to be gleeful about freedom.

When people are free to choose their faith that does come with some tradeoffs. Of course, they’re not all going to do Christian things. But we shouldn’t confuse the outcomes of freedom with freedom itself. Freedom is not to blame for what people do with it. People are to blame for what they do with freedom.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

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Fri, 09/25/26

I think part of the challenge is freedom vs anarchy. The extremes of libertarianism lead to anarchy. I say this as someone with libertarian leanings who warns not to go too far. The challenge of not going to anarchy is that we need law and then the question comes about who gets to make the law and on what is the law based. I still support the idea that our law should be rooted in Judeo/Christian values even though that makes many uncomfortable.

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