Also … interesting about Jim Berg (in QA section):
With regard to the writings of Jim Berg, we have reviewed his written material on a wide variety of topics and have found them to be faithful to Scripture. Obviously, as would be expected of any writer, his later works reflect the benefit of ongoing growth in and mastery of his subject matter. Thousands of believers have benefited from his books and hundreds of churches have used his materials with great spiritual profit. His book, Changed into His Image received a positive review from the late Roy Zuck in Bibliotheca Sacra, the theological journal of Dallas Theological Seminary. His writings have appeared in the Journal of Biblical Counseling and are recommended reading for courses at several Bible colleges and seminaries, including Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. We will continue to use these materials in our courses and make them available in our campus store and through BJU Press.
One of the main items listed in GRACE’s report to BJU was regarding Berg and BJIII. I saw a response about Berg, but nothing about BJIII. Did I miss something?
I don’t have a problem with BJU keeping Changed Into His Image in their store. However, BJU justifies keeping this material because of Southern? Most definitely not a normal BJU attitude.
About BJIII, I didn’t expect BJU to fire him, but (unless I missed something) the lack of response about BJIII is very surprising. What, is BJIII untouchable?
Not sure what to make of this response. I don’t think it is complete.
One of the main items listed in GRACE’s report to BJU was regarding Berg and BJIII. I saw a response about Berg, but nothing about BJIII. Did I miss something?
I don’t have a problem with BJU keeping Changed Into His Image in their store. However, BJU justifies keeping this material because of Southern? Most definitely not a normal BJU attitude.
About BJIII, I didn’t expect BJU to fire him, but (unless I missed something) the lack of response about BJIII is very surprising. What, is BJIII untouchable?
Not sure what to make of this response. I don’t think it is complete.
Bob Jones University considers all personnel matters private and handles them internally.
The website said a former prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney’s Office reviewed all the university’s files on people who had reported sexual assault or abuse and found the university had followed the law.
One of the main items listed in GRACE’s report to BJU was regarding Berg and BJIII. I saw a response about Berg, but nothing about BJIII. Did I miss something?
About BJIII, I didn’t expect BJU to fire him, but (unless I missed something) the lack of response about BJIII is very surprising. What, is BJIII untouchable?
Honestly, though…what are they supposed to say? “Oh, we’re firing the school chancellor and last of the Jones namesakes.” Or maybe, “We think that the role of Dr. Jones III was overemphasized in the GRACE report and will therefore be ignoring those recommendations.” If you look at the website, it does say that they don’t comment on personnel matters, and I think that’s a good policy to take as a rule. Contrary to popular opinion, not everything on the ‘inside’ of a company should be publicly announced and publicly responded to.
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
No surprise that they refuse to deal with the men who were so influential in their counseling methods and programs and the men who are the reason for the GRACE project to begin with. One need to look no further than the Bible Conference Schedule to see the 3rd as a keynote speaker. Their quip about dealing with personnel is all too easy for them to avoid the ramifications of their wrongful doings— they need to deal with the matter according to the scope of those who were affected by their SIN. They will deal generally with the nameless (victims) and those who are named are protected behind Vatican walls.
There are some disturbing allegations in the GRACE report which were completely ignored in the response or handled with the generic statements such as “Bob Jones University considers all personnel matters private and handles them internally.” I would have liked to have seen some of those items addressed, specifically where past BJU leadership was mentioned. Yes, Pettit admitted that BJU failed some students and asked for forgiveness and that is a good thing but how they address future incidents will be crucial.
The primary issue in my mind though has never been whether BJU students were safe on campus but whether the children at the local churches were/are safe. The culture of BJU may change under the leadership of Pettit but I fear that the culture of the home churches will not be affected by this for possibly generations to come, if ever. Many of the churches which feed BJU with students are led by BJU graduates themselves. These BJU graduate pastors may still be tempted to protect their ministry from embarrassment/financial loss by handling the crimes associated with sexual/physical abuse in-house. Statutes of limitations are very helpful to those who want a problem to legally go away….
Let’s be serious here; if Berg or Jones had been disicplined by BJU, we would have known. Obviously BJU, for better or worse, has decided that their record does not merit obvious discipline.
It puzzles me, FWIW, that the lawyer didn’t find some failures to report. Seems that he was looking at different records than was GRACE? Hmmm……there might be something of interest there. Exactly what, I don’t know, but the GRACE report reported some things that were slam dunks IMO.
Reread a portion of the GRACE report, and the response about the counselors, Berg’s work in particular, puzzles me. Now I’m no expert on Berg’s work, but if indeed some of his videos & books include the notion that a woman can lead a man astray by her clothing choices, those videos and books need to be at the very least revised, if not withdrawn completely. The adulterous women spoken of in Proverbs 7 are doing a lot more than just dressing up to catch a man, and the very reason God put that passage into Scripture is because it is the son’s sin if he goes in to “that woman”.
Also … interesting about Jim Berg (in QA section):
With regard to the writings of Jim Berg, we have reviewed his written material on a wide variety of topics and have found them to be faithful to Scripture. Obviously, as would be expected of any writer, his later works reflect the benefit of ongoing growth in and mastery of his subject matter. Thousands of believers have benefited from his books and hundreds of churches have used his materials with great spiritual profit. His book, Changed into His Image received a positive review from the late Roy Zuck in Bibliotheca Sacra, the theological journal of Dallas Theological Seminary. His writings have appeared in the Journal of Biblical Counseling and are recommended reading for courses at several Bible colleges and seminaries, including Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. We will continue to use these materials in our courses and make them available in our campus store and through BJU Press.
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Also … interesting about Jim Berg (in QA section):
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One of the main items listed in GRACE’s report to BJU was regarding Berg and BJIII. I saw a response about Berg, but nothing about BJIII. Did I miss something?
I don’t have a problem with BJU keeping Changed Into His Image in their store. However, BJU justifies keeping this material because of Southern? Most definitely not a normal BJU attitude.
About BJIII, I didn’t expect BJU to fire him, but (unless I missed something) the lack of response about BJIII is very surprising. What, is BJIII untouchable?
Not sure what to make of this response. I don’t think it is complete.
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NewNot addressed was the silly idea of a memorial to abuse victims
Not addressed was the silly idea of a memorial to abuse victims. And you know how I feel about that!
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NewLocal reporting - Greenville News
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2015/03/10/bob-jones-univers…
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NewHonestly, though...
Honestly, though…what are they supposed to say? “Oh, we’re firing the school chancellor and last of the Jones namesakes.” Or maybe, “We think that the role of Dr. Jones III was overemphasized in the GRACE report and will therefore be ignoring those recommendations.”
If you look at the website, it does say that they don’t comment on personnel matters, and I think that’s a good policy to take as a rule. Contrary to popular opinion, not everything on the ‘inside’ of a company should be publicly announced and publicly responded to.
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
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No surprise that they refuse to deal with the men who were so influential in their counseling methods and programs and the men who are the reason for the GRACE project to begin with. One need to look no further than the Bible Conference Schedule to see the 3rd as a keynote speaker. Their quip about dealing with personnel is all too easy for them to avoid the ramifications of their wrongful doings— they need to deal with the matter according to the scope of those who were affected by their SIN. They will deal generally with the nameless (victims) and those who are named are protected behind Vatican walls.
NewNot surprised.
There are some disturbing allegations in the GRACE report which were completely ignored in the response or handled with the generic statements such as “Bob Jones University considers all personnel matters private and handles them internally.” I would have liked to have seen some of those items addressed, specifically where past BJU leadership was mentioned. Yes, Pettit admitted that BJU failed some students and asked for forgiveness and that is a good thing but how they address future incidents will be crucial.
The primary issue in my mind though has never been whether BJU students were safe on campus but whether the children at the local churches were/are safe. The culture of BJU may change under the leadership of Pettit but I fear that the culture of the home churches will not be affected by this for possibly generations to come, if ever. Many of the churches which feed BJU with students are led by BJU graduates themselves. These BJU graduate pastors may still be tempted to protect their ministry from embarrassment/financial loss by handling the crimes associated with sexual/physical abuse in-house. Statutes of limitations are very helpful to those who want a problem to legally go away….
NewBerg, Jones
Let’s be serious here; if Berg or Jones had been disicplined by BJU, we would have known. Obviously BJU, for better or worse, has decided that their record does not merit obvious discipline.
It puzzles me, FWIW, that the lawyer didn’t find some failures to report. Seems that he was looking at different records than was GRACE? Hmmm……there might be something of interest there. Exactly what, I don’t know, but the GRACE report reported some things that were slam dunks IMO.
Reread a portion of the GRACE report, and the response about the counselors, Berg’s work in particular, puzzles me. Now I’m no expert on Berg’s work, but if indeed some of his videos & books include the notion that a woman can lead a man astray by her clothing choices, those videos and books need to be at the very least revised, if not withdrawn completely. The adulterous women spoken of in Proverbs 7 are doing a lot more than just dressing up to catch a man, and the very reason God put that passage into Scripture is because it is the son’s sin if he goes in to “that woman”.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
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