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How can pro-life Christians also support capital punishment?

By Filings on Fri, 03/13/20
Society & Culture
Sanctity of Life
Capital Punishment
Pro-Life
Bioethics

“For nearly two millennia now, this passage [Rom 13:4] has been seen by most Christian faith traditions both as authorizing governmental authority and authorizing their right to use lethal force to punish evil doers, domestically through the criminal justice system and internationally through the military in “just war” conflicts with other nations.” - Richard Land

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josh p

NewDavid VanDrunnen has an

Fri, 03/13/20
David VanDrunnen has an interesting article about this passage where he argues that Paul had the Noahic covenant in mind in Romans 13.
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Joel Shaffer

New"Lastly, it must be said, if..."

Fri, 03/13/20

“Lastly, it must be said, if we are going to support the use of capital punishment for crimes such as murder, then we have to be as dedicated to capital punishment’s just and equitable application as we are to its use. When we look at the history of the United States, we must acknowledge that capital punishment has not been applied equally. Historically, you have been far more likely to be executed in America if you were poor, an ethic minority, or a man. That must change. I believe we have made substantial progress concerning gender bias and ethnicity, but not as much on poverty. The O.J. Simpson case is living proof that someone can get away with homicide if they are rich enough. And sadly, poverty and minority ethnicity are still too often combined in our society.”

As for substantial progress, It depends on the state that you live in. The most recent execution of Nathaniel Woods in Alabama proves otherwise. https://eji.org/news/nathaniel-woods-execution-reveals-disturbing-bias-in-alabama/?fbclid=IwAR0pSRB2bcAGRL16p_5wdgXqzLNhA0nXny1j_pqt29BHKzVZ8QaoBfcqwhk

For certain situations, I do hold to a Biblical view of Capital Punishment viewing it as an affirmation of the value of human life (Gen. 9;6) “The principle of “life for life” is a testimony to the inestimable value of human life; fines or time in prison cannot repay the debt which murder incurs.” (Shenvi)

However, when significant numbers of innocent people are being executed or if justice is being perverted through favoritism towards the rich or racism towards blacks, I am dead-set against it. Although I agree with CP in principle, I cannot support CP in practice in America because too many of the state’s criminal justice systems are too flawed to administrate it properly (DA’s office, prosecutors, failures of court-appointed defense attorneys, and etc.. ) as this article above demonstrates. (Woods was a drug-addict at the wrong place at the wrong time that did not have anything to do with the murders. And when the DA’s office/Prosecution unjustly went after a 1st degree murder charge/conviction towards him, the court-appointed defense miserably failed to defend him)

“The one who justifies the wicked and the one who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to Yahweh.” Proverbs 17:15.

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Newjosh p wrote:

Sat, 03/14/20

[josh p]

David VanDrunnen has an interesting article about this passage where he argues that Paul had the Noahic covenant in mind in Romans 13.

You have a link?

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josh p

NewIt’s not online. It’s on

Sat, 03/14/20
It’s not online. It’s on Jstor which I don’t have access to so I called my library. They found it at a law school near me which has a time where they open their library up to the public. As it turned out my sister got it for me since she was in a graduate program. If you message me your email address I’ll see if I can send it as a pdf.
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NewHere is the citation if you

Sat, 03/14/20
Here is the citation if you have access:
VanDrunen, David. (2016). Power to the people: Revisiting civil resistance in romans 13:1-7 in light of the noahic covenant. Journal of Law and Religion. -1. 1-15. 10.1017/jlr.2015.41.
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NewJoel Shaffer wrote:

Sat, 03/14/20

[Joel Shaffer]

“Lastly, it must be said, if we are going to support the use of capital punishment for crimes such as murder, then we have to be as dedicated to capital punishment’s just and equitable application as we are to its use. When we look at the history of the United States, we must acknowledge that capital punishment has not been applied equally. Historically, you have been far more likely to be executed in America if you were poor, an ethic minority, or a man. That must change. I believe we have made substantial progress concerning gender bias and ethnicity, but not as much on poverty. The O.J. Simpson case is living proof that someone can get away with homicide if they are rich enough. And sadly, poverty and minority ethnicity are still too often combined in our society.”

As for substantial progress, It depends on the state that you live in. The most recent execution of Nathaniel Woods in Alabama proves otherwise. https://eji.org/news/nathaniel-woods-execution-reveals-disturbing-bias-in-alabama/?fbclid=IwAR0pSRB2bcAGRL16p_5wdgXqzLNhA0nXny1j_pqt29BHKzVZ8QaoBfcqwhk

For certain situations, I do hold to a Biblical view of Capital Punishment viewing it as an affirmation of the value of human life (Gen. 9;6) “The principle of “life for life” is a testimony to the inestimable value of human life; fines or time in prison cannot repay the debt which murder incurs.” (Shenvi)

However, when significant numbers of innocent people are being executed or if justice is being perverted through favoritism towards the rich or racism towards blacks, I am dead-set against it. Although I agree with CP in principle, I cannot support CP in practice in America because too many of the state’s criminal justice systems are too flawed to administrate it properly (DA’s office, prosecutors, failures of court-appointed defense attorneys, and etc.. ) as this article above demonstrates. (Woods was a drug-addict at the wrong place at the wrong time that did not have anything to do with the murders. And when the DA’s office/Prosecution unjustly went after a 1st degree murder charge/conviction towards him, the court-appointed defense miserably failed to defend him)

“The one who justifies the wicked and the one who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to Yahweh.” Proverbs 17:15.

In the last couple of years I have come to a similar position. I am still all for CP as a biblical concept but I don’t really trust the government (Whether state or Federal) to practice it justly. I do hate the idea of child molesters living rent free in a prison but I guess I prefer it to the idea of people being killed unjustly.

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Newjosh p wrote:

Mon, 03/16/20

[josh p]

Here is the citation if you have access:
VanDrunen, David. (2016). Power to the people: Revisiting civil resistance in romans 13:1-7 in light of the noahic covenant. Journal of Law and Religion. -1. 1-15. 10.1017/jlr.2015.41.

Thanks! I think I have access at work, so I’ll give it a try.

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NewFor most of us the capital punishment question has been decided

Mon, 03/16/20

For most of us the capital punishment question has been decided and is out of our hands!

  • California has it but does not practice it
  • Minnesota (my home state) abolished it a century ago (1911). Minnesota is know for the infamous & largest mass execution in American history. Image below

Here are the problems with CP in the US:

  • It is unevenly applied (bias against blacks)
  • It is not swift (big gap between the crime and the punishment), We do not live in the era of Isaac Parker
  • It is more expensive than lifetime incarceration (Googling this it looks like this is debatable)

The argument for CP is often killers kill! Either in prison or after release (too many examples but see link for recent one in MN

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josh p

NewWell said Jim. Thanks for the

Mon, 03/16/20
Well said Jim. Thanks for the links too.

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