“The Court ruled, in an opinion written by Justice Gorsuch, that ‘sex’ does, in fact, include sexual orientation and gender identity, despite the fact that legislators repeatedly voted against including those categories in the legislation. So, what now?” - Russel Moore
Related: The Supreme Court Redefines Sex and Justice Gorsuch Just Opened Pandora’s Box
Discussion
NewTerrible
I wrote this on my Facebook page this morning:
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
NewWow
I thought we had originalists/textualists appointed by W and Trump, now I’m not so sure. I don’t know whether to believe that they weren’t as originalist as believed, whether they’ve “grown” in office, or whether somebody is getting to them with an offer they cannot refuse. I had to wonder the same thing when John Roberts rescued the Health Insurance Deform Act (aka “Obamacare”) by declaring a fine to be a tax, while ignoring the fact that HIDA originated in the Senate, while tax bills must originate in the House.
More or less, what’s been argued by Gorsuch, Roberts, and the liberal wing of the court is that somehow Congress intended to protect behaviors that were either nonexistent or illegal when the Title VII law was passed. It boggles the mind, whatever one things of the result.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
NewWho/Whom
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
NewGorsuch
In all fairness, during his confirmation process, Gorsuch said something to the effect that if you are interpreting and applying the law as written, you will come to decisions you don’t like. I won’t claim to know whether Gorsuch’s argument on this case was a good legal one or not. It sounds a little fishy to me, but I haven’t read years and years of case law. But it was no secret that he had no intention of ruling for “good” rather than ruling on how he read the law.
Dave Barnhart
NewTylerR wrote: 5. This
Let’s not be so over dramatic, Tyler. In his opinion, Gorsuch signaled that religious exemptions will most likely continue for organizations with a clear religious mission. Does that mean the funeral home will qualify because the owner is a Christian, probably not. But, Christian universities, seminaries, and especially churches will still be sheltered.
NewTHoward
Don’t be naive!
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
NewGorsuch signaled that
It’s doubtful that Gorsuch should be trusted on this because we have seen the course of history. This very decision would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. There’s a reason why the left was desparately trying to pass bills to include LGBT in civil rights—They knew it wasn’t there already. They weren’t expecting this at all, is my guess.
And this should cause serious problems for us. The idea that a government can coerce religious belief and religious practice should be troubling.
NewWhat this decision
brings into stark relief is something that has been true for a while. Christians have no positive influence on the larger culture. None.
NewLarry wrote:
not really. Hiring someone for a non-religious organization does not coerce religious belief and religious practice for either the owner or employee.
just like renting your home to an lgbt person doesn’t coerce religious belief or practice.
NewWe'll find out soon enough..
….since there are cases coming up regarding religious institutions. It’s not just him, we need Roberts, as well, to support the 1st amendment exemption.
NewHiring someone for a non
It does if you believe, for religious reasons, that you should not hire that person or rent to that person. You would be forced to hire someone against your religious beliefs.
NewNo one should be surprised at
No one should be surprised at this decision. The Sup Crt often reflects current culture and interprets based on the culture. Future cases will show to what degree the Court applies First Amendment rights to other “rights”. Don’t forget the results of the BJU case: Public policy takes precedent over religious liberty.
Concerning Republicans: The Republican Party has usually been the political party which Bible-believing Christians could depend on to generally support traditional moral beliefs. Although less true today than in the past, it is still true. Those who are upset with Republicans for capitulation on sexual/gender issues do not have any other viable political party to support. Third party candidates will not win. Don’t forget the large number of federal judges that the Trump administration and Republican-controlled Senate have confirmed. The danger is that Christians will be so upset with Republicans and President Trump that they will not vote and Joe Biden (and his very important/influential Vice President) gets elected, putting people in office who are much worse than Trump and most Democrats.
Wally Morris
Huntington, IN
NewThis world is not our home...
I won’t vote for Trump this November. Conservative Christian voters are viewed similarly to black voters. The republican party knows Christians won’t vote democratic and they rely on scare tactics like the above to keep Christians voting republican. Democrats know blacks won’t vote republican and they rely on scare tactics to keep blacks voting for democrats.
As my friend Flavor Flav says, “Don’t believe the hype!”
NewThe idea that "This world is..."
The idea that “This world is not our home” doesn’t really help here. We are citizens of this kingdom. It’s a two kingdom kind of world. Being citizens of heaven does not absolve us of responsibility to be good citizens here.
And remember, for all the complaints about Gorsuch and this decision, most judicial decisions are made at lower court levels and Trump has had an apparently good record there. Don’t let the publicity of one decision override the overall good that is done.
We cannot throw a temper tantrum that will lead us into unwise decisions. Withdrawal from society is at least unwise and perhaps even sinful.
NewLarry wrote:
This world is not my home allows me to as much as possible lead a quiet and peaceable life with all men regardless of politics. Being a good citizen of America doesn’t require I vote for a republican. A democrat as president will only do what God allows him to do. I’m not worried. Will I have to suffer for my biblical convictions and beliefs in my lifetime? Probably. Guess what, Christians have been doing that for 2,000 years. We American Christians are so spoiled and soft.
If by withdrawal from society you mean being cloistered, I agree. If by withdrawal from society you mean not being an active republican voter, I disagree.