“But who counts as a minister? Cheryl Perich’s duties included leading students in prayer and worship, but she also taught secular subjects, using ordinary secular textbooks. The sole disagreement in the lower courts was whether her job was sufficiently religious to be considered ministerial. The Supreme Court will consider, for the first time, how to make that determination.” WSJ
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NewHave we helped create this mess?
For example, how are a church/school’s business manager and school administrator “ministers,” in the classic sense of the term? Answer: Call him a “pastor”…give him the responsibility of teaching a Sunday school class…make sure he speaks in chapel occasionally…give him a parsonage or parsonage allowance?
It’ll be very interesting to see how the SC rules on this.
NewActually, the tax code is
Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?
NewMinister abuse...
Nevertheless, the case reported in the WSJ article in the OP isn’t about the tax code. The church in question is arguing that they are not subject to the Americans with Disabilities Act & the jurisdiction of the EEOC because the employee was a “minister.” In reality, she was a teacher in their church-run school. The church considered her a “minister” because she shared devotions with the kids (and possibly simply by virtue of being employed by the church?). From the info shared in the article, it appears the moniker “minister” was applied to this teacher as a convenient way to get out of the responsibility to treat her fairly & justly (at least as it’s currently defined by employment laws). So in my example, if the disenfranchised employee had been a business mgr or school admin, the church would make the same claim of exemption from the ADA — the business mgr./school admin can’t sue because they’re “ministers.”
Surely I muddied the waters a bit by bringing in the ideas of “financial advantage” and “parsonage allowance.” But my main point is that on our end, we’re far too ready to use the title “minister” to our advantage — whether by abusing the tax code or by abusing employees.
NewMinisters' taxes and called workers
I am not sure who you have an axe to grind against, but I do think you are really muddying the waters. The tax laws are very clear about who can be treated as a minister — which is basically the same group that can get a parsonage allowance and must also decide if they are in or out of social security. If it is wrong to take advantage of these things within the law, then is it also wrong to claim a tax credit for children, a mortgage or anything else?
But beyond that, this case apparently has nothing to do with that at all on several levels. To understand it, you have to realize that this is an LC-MS school. The LC-MS has a strict definition of a “called” worker which is distinct even from other confessional Lutheran bodies, such as WELS.
Thus, I really believe that your concerns are completely outside anything having to do with what is going on in this case.
I have not studied the situation in any great detail and am not an attorney, but I pray that the Court will rule in such a way to preserve the utmost respect for religious freedom as well as personal responsibility and liberty. I am always fearful that usually nothing good can come of something like this going through the legal process — unless it serves to reiterate Constitutional freedom.
Church Ministries Representative, serving in the Midwest, for The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
NewThis is an issue of church discipline
“As relations broke down, the church congregation voted to withdraw her “call” to the ministry, and she ceased to be eligible for her prior job. She sued under the Americans with Disabilities Act, with the support of the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission…
But the Obama Justice Department has now asked the court to disavow the ministerial exception altogether. This would mean that, in every future case, a court—and not the church—would decide whether the church’s reasons for firing or not hiring a minister were good enough.”
In other words, the federal government wants to be able to tell churches that they ultimately cannot hire and fire based on any standards other than what any other employer must use.
That would truly have a chilling impact on the “visible church.”
Church Ministries Representative, serving in the Midwest, for The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
NewWhat constitutes a "minister"?
Incidentally, I have no problem with clergy taking advantage of tax benefits, since I receive a bunch of them as a pastor. I do have a problem with churches abusing tax laws in the ways I described in an earlier post—it’s a sure way to invite unnecessary scrutiny, further encroachment, and restricted freedoms. In the WSJ story, for example, (again, NOT a tax code issue) the church is claiming exemption from treating the teacher according to the ADA because she’s a “minister.” It’s that apparent redefinition or stretching of the meaning of the term that has invited the scrutiny & may lead to further government encroachment and restricted religious freedom. That’s certainly not something I would desire, either, Paul.
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We probably agree on most of this.
But I think you are still reading a “non-denom” Christian school paradigm into the situation.
This is a Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod church school — something that has been around in this country for a century. They have a strict definition of a “called worker.” They didn’t make it up to take advantage of the tax code or anything else.
Church Ministries Representative, serving in the Midwest, for The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
NewIFB schools...
Incidentally, here’s an update on the case: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/justices-hear-religious-workplace-disput….
This statement by the school’s attorney gets to the heart of the matter (the lack of clear definition of “minister”):
And this approach from Kennedy touches on the issue of justice for a potentially wrongfully terminated employee:
And Sotomayor raised an interesting scenario:
NewGood writeup on this case
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