“In his letter, Martin said that the SBC messengers were ‘deceived,’ having been misinformed about ACP. The messengers were led to believe that waiving privilege was a ‘perfectly normal and necessary’ practice.” - C.Leaders
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“In his letter, Martin said that the SBC messengers were ‘deceived,’ having been misinformed about ACP. The messengers were led to believe that waiving privilege was a ‘perfectly normal and necessary’ practice.” - C.Leaders
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NewSounds Frightening
I know nothing about the legal implications of the SBC decision, but it is frightening. The SBC is not only an important denomination, it often hashes out issues smaller denoms will have to hash out. Not happy to read this.
"The Midrash Detective"
NewMaybe
The motion on the floor at the 2021 SBC Annual Meeting explicitly stated that the EC was to cooperate with an independent third party investigation and also stipulated that the EC was to waive attorney client privilege for the purposes of said investigation.
There’s more listed at the SATF FAQ page, including this:
Ronnie Floyd, Mike Stone, and Rod Martin (among others) have all been at the center of the EC’s continued efforts to either sideline the mandate, water it down, or simply act as if it doesn’t exist. Martin has been vocal about losing A/C privilege, but the Task Force has already covered this ground repeatedly.
Frankly, I’m glad Floyd and Martin are gone. They have contributed so much chaos and delay to what was a clear directive by the members of the SBC that I did not expect anything to come of the investigation. The consensus of my SBC friends is that EC has decided that they, not the messengers/churches, rule the SBC and by that they meant the business of the SBC over the people in it.
Frankly, the panic-mongering by men like Floyd, Stone and Martin (and their colleagues in the Conservative Baptist Network) is a sign that this is really about everything other than the abuse of Christians in churches.
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
NewComplicated
I watched every single minute of the Executive Committee’s meetings as they struggled whether and how to waive attorney-client privilege, and I watched Rod Martin spend a cumulative two hours explaining his fears to Tom Ascol. My analysis is that … it’s complicated!
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
NewTranslation
“….a bunch of lawyers told me what we had to do, but we did what was right for a change, so now I am being pressured to do what a bunch of lawyers tell me to do…”
Look, the EC has no problem if they were fair and honest with allegations of sexual abuse in the SBC. If they weren’t, then they are in trouble.
The EC of the SBC makes no ordinations. They control nothing churches do. They can tell no one to do anything. The SBC is wholely UNLIKE the RC church… SO the EC is not responsible for what local churches or leaders do. They are only responsible for what they do…
If they lose that position in court that is on them.
If they lose and the entire assets of the SBC go to the victims, well then maybe the EC should have been more active in their condemnation of church/pastoral abuse. This in on THEM to clean up their part of this mess.