The last question I’d have to ask is if worship music criticism does not point to a deeper issue and that of being critical in general. While I can’t speak for individual motives behind each rendering of criticism, I have found with my own self it stems from a prideful arrogance that somehow my standard should set the precedent for how we worship God. Yes, I stated correctly – pride and arrogance. Not only that, we can come off as people without hope who find no beauty in the simplest of creation. We should not be this way.A Critique of Worship Music Criticism
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"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
Newsong as empty vessel
NewCan he spell the word "aesthetic" at all?
I don’t think that was his goal in the post, but given how badly he maimed practical theology in his application, he may not even have the right ideas on the music side.
And his own ‘being critical’ about those he labels as ‘nit-pickers’ is vacuous, as well as hypocritical. Being ‘nit-picky’ can sometimes save theology (think Athanasius).
But on his side, being in a bad mood about everything isn’t very Christian (I assume this is what he is fussing about). Perhaps it would have been better to attack the attitude of ‘being critical’ in general, which would have made a good post, and not applied it to so-called ‘worship’ music.
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Credo House threw me off, I think. They have some pretty good articles now and again, usually written by males of the species.
Regardless of my faux pas, I re-read the article and noticed that she (got it right this time!) uses a subjective argument (it’s right for me), rather than an objective one (it’s right or wrong, regardless of my opinion). This is what I picked up on in my first reading. She seems to make her current likes and dislikes the standard. It appears she does not even consider two factors: (1) her current opinion could be (objectively) wrong and (2) her current opinion could be changed to bring the subjective in line with what would be objectively right. Isn’t this what growth in grace would entail?
New@ B-Lowry
She says this, for example:
Both quotes are personal observations, not a blanket declaration that “my position is right”.
Finally, I don’t get the sense at all that you did about considering whether or not she could be wrong or changed. Is there anything in particular that made you say that?
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
New@ Jay
In her 1st paragraph, she started out by defending the Newsboys, who are a rock group. That made me suspect her aesthetics to be off.
2nd paragraph, last sentence: if we turn this around it would mean that music with little or no doctrinal significance and inconsistent theological articulation pleases the Lord. That is a problem.
3rd paragraph: is she saying that trying to be theologically accurate is ‘counter-productive’ in Christian music?
4th paragraph: I would agree, though, that being nit-picky can, at times, have no redeeming value. But at other times, it is vital to the life of a church or The Church. Thus, my earlier reference to Athanasius.
5th paragraph: I think she has confused ‘simple’ and ‘short’ with ‘profound.’ Psalm 100 (a very short one) is very profound. And the arrangement of phrases from the Bible (in a song, or sermon, or on a blog) can produce the opposite teaching intended by God.
6th paragraph, last 2 sentences: Colossians 3:16 says that teaching is a function of ‘good song writing.’
7th paragraph: inconsistencies may occur in ‘simple’ songs. That very simplicity may spawn incoherence at times, and even heresy.
And so on. There are other problems with the other points in the following paragraphs.
But the last sentence is very much a problem. What if I say that the Newsboys, et al, direct me away from the Lord? Is that truly what I need? I think not.
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2nd point - there are Psalms that could be argued as having ‘little or no doctrinal significance’ - Ps. 131, 134, 148, 150. Most of those are simply commands to praise the Lord.
3rd point - she says:
It seems pretty clear that she’s saying that the criticism is being rethought, not the music. You and I would both agree that music should teach doctrine, but that doesn’t mean that every song or hymn will contain doctrinal teaching (like the Psalms I referenced above).
I need to go now, but would you agree with me that some well loved songs like ” http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/i/t/g/itgarden.htm In the Garden ” are problematic?
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
New"In the Garden"
Another example of this is “Dwelling in Beulah Land,” which he also wrote. It teaches that there is a realm on this side of eternity where sin (or at least, sin’s effect) is impenetrable. Romans 7, etc. would tell us this is not so.
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Asking worshippers to insert their own concepts into references to God and salvation is the very opposite of teaching and admonishing. That is teaching nothing but ambiguity and false doctrine. It is akin to the “Bible study” that reads a verse, then goes around the circle asking subjectively, “What does that verse mean to you?” without any explaination of what the verse means objectively.
All questions of musical styles aside, surely there can be no serious agrument against the need for our church music to be doctrinaly perspicuous.
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Greg Barkman
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I don’t think He is expecting to hear that I have rendered a total rendition of vital doctrinal points .
Criticism levelled at songs because in the critic’s opinion they don’t carry sufficient doctrinal content immediately reminds me of the story of the pharisee who said “I thank you Lord that I am not like this man” And please don’t give me the apples and oranges argument.
Richard Pajak
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NewApples and Oranges?
Does this sound like the offerings of Cain and Abel to anyone?
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