Poll Results
Original Sin: Your View
Pelagian: Adam’s sin does not affect us directly, but a bad example and a cursed environment Votes: 0
Federal View: Human race affected by Adam’s sin and thus cursed, even though Adam sinned alone Votes: 6
Augustinian View: We sinned in Adam Votes: 5
Combination of 2 or more of the above Votes: 3
Other Votes: 2
Discussion
NewOriginal Sin: A Tough One
Now is your time to speak. You theologians can wax eloquent, but try to keep it fairly brief!
Looking forward to some good thoughts and lively discussions.
"The Midrash Detective"
NewCan one hold to a Pelagian
Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?
NewYes, Chip
"The Midrash Detective"
NewFirst, I agree that you don't
Second, the Pelagian view does away with original sin. It undermines the universal need of a savior. It makes man a clean slate. I am not sure a person can come to Christ on those terms, accepting redemption while denying other parts of the Bible which clearly teach total depravity. I don’t think you can have (positively hold rather than neutrally not understand) a Pelagian view of original sin without ending up with a Pelagian view of man’s condition and a Pelagian view of salvation.
Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?
NewSaved But Not Solid
Some people do not even believe in a literal Adam, but they still believe we are lost sinners because we sin and need a Savior. I would not let such a person join our church, etc.,
I think you agree with me that many who believe in the gap theory, theistic evolution, day-age theory, local flood, etc., are still saved. Their hermeneutics are despicable, but if they have turned to Christ believing the Gospel, they are saved. I would label such “probably saved but not solid.”
I do understand your concept, though. Many people are saved without comprehending the deity of Christ, but, once confronted with it, they will readily embrace it. If they do not, we would say they are unsaved, and we are right to do so. To extend this idea to the concept of inherited sin, however, is a horse of a different color.
"The Midrash Detective"