Curious what the Biblical support for his article is? Not alot of verses referenced. Probabaly because there aren’t very many. I always wonder why the Apostle Paul never metioned gluttony in any of his lists? Even disobedient to parents makes those lists.
The article would have been more intersting and useful if the author would have addressed the sin of gluttony. But instead, he uses the term gluttony to describe greed, lust, and vanity. He doesn’t actually address gluttony, which is the sin of eating when the body is not hungry or doesn’t need food- or even a lack of self-control. Gluttony is a serious issue in this country, with such a large percentage of the population being fat.
Gluttony is a serious issue in this country, with such a large percentage of the population being fat.
Speaking on behalf of fat people everywhere: gluttony does not necessarily result in making one “fat” and being “fat” does not necessarily mean one is gluttonous.
Speaking on behalf of fat people everywhere: gluttony does not necessarily result in making one “fat” and being “fat” does not necessarily mean one is gluttonous.
It is a pretty good indication, depending on how you define gluttony. Being overweight is a result of intaking more calories than you body needs, regardless of health conditions. I do agree that there are gluttonous individuals who are not fat, so I agree it is not a 1 to 1 correlation.
Most fat people are fat, because at some point in their lives they were gluttinous. Most likely, while they were growing up, they had poor eating habits and their parents didn’t correct them. They were chubby kids. Now that they are adults, they still have that fat on their bodies. The only way to lose the weight, is to practice intermittent fasting and exercising more. So that they body can get rid of that fat that has been their for years.
You say, “Most fat people are fat, because at some point in their lives they were gluttinous [sic].” As a fat man, I am curious to know how you come to your extensive knowledge of the way that most fat people have become fat.
Of course, the principle of weight gain is quite simple. If you take in more calories than you burn, you will gain weight, and if you burn more than you take in, you will lose weight. But I don’t recall seeing any indication in Scripture of an ideal body weight/bmi, so I wonder how one would use a person’s weight or body fat content to determined whether he/she is a glutton.
If a Christian man is a cigarette smoker, you will have the whole congregation criticizing him, telling him how bad smoking is for the body, and how he should quit smoking because his body is the temple of God and he needs to take care of it(Even though there is nothing in scripture that prohibits smoking). Yet if a person is obese, no one would dare criticize the person openly about their weight. Yet that fat person is also damaging their body by their eating habits and lack of exercise. That is a double standard we have in this country. We were programmed to think this way by all of the anti-smoking propaganda in this country. If there was more anti-fat propaganda and laws, you would see a lot less people eating the way they do.
Speaking on behalf of fat people everywhere: gluttony does not necessarily result in making one “fat” and being “fat” does not necessarily mean one is gluttonous.
It is a pretty good indication, depending on how you define gluttony. Being overweight is a result of intaking more calories than you body needs, regardless of health conditions. I do agree that there are gluttonous individuals who are not fat, so I agree it is not a 1 to 1 correlation.
Please show me anywhere in scripture where weight is a discerning characteristic of spiritual standing or defines gluttony.
Gluttony seems to be a sin that Christians like to ignore. We are often quick to label smoking and drinking as sins, but for some reason gluttony is accepted or at least tolerated. Many of the arguments used against smoking and drinking, such as health and addiction, apply equally to overeating. Many believers would not even consider having a glass of wine or smoking a cigarette but have no qualms about gorging themselves at the dinner table. This should not be! Proverbs 23:20-21warns us, “Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.”Proverbs 28:7declares, “He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.”Proverbs 23:2proclaims, “Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.” Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/gluttony-sin.html#ixzz2palNrWjD
While I agree with part of your assertion here, you have bypassed the question several have asked. How do you know what is gluttony, and what is not? Since gluttony does not the same as overweight, how do you know when to tell someone they are in sin?
Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?
Speaking on behalf of fat people everywhere: gluttony does not necessarily result in making one “fat” and being “fat” does not necessarily mean one is gluttonous.
It is a pretty good indication, depending on how you define gluttony. Being overweight is a result of intaking more calories than you body needs, regardless of health conditions. I do agree that there are gluttonous individuals who are not fat, so I agree it is not a 1 to 1 correlation.
Please show me anywhere in scripture where weight is a discerning characteristic of spiritual standing or defines gluttony.
I never made the claim that it was a discerning characteristic of spiritual standing. Gluttony is an english term that means overconsumption of food. Being overweight means that you are consuming (or overconsuming) more calories than you body needs to operate. Continuous overconsumption leads to being overweight, regardless of pre existing conditions.
Speaking on behalf of fat people everywhere: gluttony does not necessarily result in making one “fat” and being “fat” does not necessarily mean one is gluttonous.
It is a pretty good indication, depending on how you define gluttony. Being overweight is a result of intaking more calories than you body needs, regardless of health conditions. I do agree that there are gluttonous individuals who are not fat, so I agree it is not a 1 to 1 correlation.
Please show me anywhere in scripture where weight is a discerning characteristic of spiritual standing or defines gluttony.
I never made the claim that it was a discerning characteristic of spiritual standing. Gluttony is an english term that means overconsumption of food. Being overweight means that you are consuming (or overconsuming) more calories than you body needs to operate. Continuous overconsumption leads to being overweight, regardless of pre existing conditions. The scientific consensus is to keep your BMI under 25. Of course there are determining factors such as excessive muscle content, frame size…. But weight is one of the key determining factors of health, and has one of the largest impacts on improving overall health.
Would anyone like to suggest a place in Scripture where some sort of ideal weight/bmi could be determined? How do we define what is overweight, apart from government defined standards?
Discussion
NewBiblical Support
Curious what the Biblical support for his article is? Not alot of verses referenced. Probabaly because there aren’t very many. I always wonder why the Apostle Paul never metioned gluttony in any of his lists? Even disobedient to parents makes those lists.
NewActually, he does...
The Apostle Paul does describe the Cretans as lazy gluttons.
NewThe article would have been
The article would have been more intersting and useful if the author would have addressed the sin of gluttony. But instead, he uses the term gluttony to describe greed, lust, and vanity. He doesn’t actually address gluttony, which is the sin of eating when the body is not hungry or doesn’t need food- or even a lack of self-control. Gluttony is a serious issue in this country, with such a large percentage of the population being fat.
NewOuch!
Speaking on behalf of fat people everywhere: gluttony does not necessarily result in making one “fat” and being “fat” does not necessarily mean one is gluttonous.
Donn R Arms
NewDonn R Arms wrote:
It is a pretty good indication, depending on how you define gluttony. Being overweight is a result of intaking more calories than you body needs, regardless of health conditions. I do agree that there are gluttonous individuals who are not fat, so I agree it is not a 1 to 1 correlation.
NewMost fat people are fat,
Most fat people are fat, because at some point in their lives they were gluttinous. Most likely, while they were growing up, they had poor eating habits and their parents didn’t correct them. They were chubby kids. Now that they are adults, they still have that fat on their bodies. The only way to lose the weight, is to practice intermittent fasting and exercising more. So that they body can get rid of that fat that has been their for years.
NewSpeaking as a fat man...
Christian,
You say, “Most fat people are fat, because at some point in their lives they were gluttinous [sic].” As a fat man, I am curious to know how you come to your extensive knowledge of the way that most fat people have become fat.
Of course, the principle of weight gain is quite simple. If you take in more calories than you burn, you will gain weight, and if you burn more than you take in, you will lose weight. But I don’t recall seeing any indication in Scripture of an ideal body weight/bmi, so I wonder how one would use a person’s weight or body fat content to determined whether he/she is a glutton.
NewIf a Christian man is a
If a Christian man is a cigarette smoker, you will have the whole congregation criticizing him, telling him how bad smoking is for the body, and how he should quit smoking because his body is the temple of God and he needs to take care of it(Even though there is nothing in scripture that prohibits smoking). Yet if a person is obese, no one would dare criticize the person openly about their weight. Yet that fat person is also damaging their body by their eating habits and lack of exercise. That is a double standard we have in this country. We were programmed to think this way by all of the anti-smoking propaganda in this country. If there was more anti-fat propaganda and laws, you would see a lot less people eating the way they do.
NewRemember..
..when gluttony was a crime? http://bit.ly/1eduiVj
Me neither ;p
Newdgszweda wrote:
Please show me anywhere in scripture where weight is a discerning characteristic of spiritual standing or defines gluttony.
Lee
NewGluttony seems to be a sin
Gluttony seems to be a sin that Christians like to ignore. We are often quick to label smoking and drinking as sins, but for some reason gluttony is accepted or at least tolerated. Many of the arguments used against smoking and drinking, such as health and addiction, apply equally to overeating. Many believers would not even consider having a glass of wine or smoking a cigarette but have no qualms about gorging themselves at the dinner table. This should not be!
Proverbs 23:20-21warns us, “Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.”Proverbs 28:7declares, “He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.”Proverbs 23:2proclaims, “Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.”
Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/gluttony-sin.html#ixzz2palNrWjD
NewChristian,
Christian,
While I agree with part of your assertion here, you have bypassed the question several have asked. How do you know what is gluttony, and what is not? Since gluttony does not the same as overweight, how do you know when to tell someone they are in sin?
Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?
NewLee wrote:
I never made the claim that it was a discerning characteristic of spiritual standing. Gluttony is an english term that means overconsumption of food. Being overweight means that you are consuming (or overconsuming) more calories than you body needs to operate. Continuous overconsumption leads to being overweight, regardless of pre existing conditions.
Newdgszweda wrote:
NewBiblical standard
Would anyone like to suggest a place in Scripture where some sort of ideal weight/bmi could be determined? How do we define what is overweight, apart from government defined standards?