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FBFI "Why we are still here"

By Jim on Mon, 04/17/17
Fundamentalism & Evangelicalism
FBFI

One of the reasons we produced the “Convergence” issue was to provide a voice for growing frustrations in my generation, stymied in its efforts to reach across that “yawning generational gap” that Mark spoke of in his letter. It was a rebuke of an unethical pastoral theology observed in some, but it was not intended as an indictment of an entire generation.

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TylerR

NewAndyE

Thu, 04/20/17

I didn’t say I was exempt … :(

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.

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Jim

NewIn defense of ...

Thu, 04/20/17

[AndyE]

TylerR wrote:

It is a rule. Somehow, through some bizarre combination of circumstances, a discussion about Baptist fundamentalism will always turn to music. Smile

Hmm…Ironically, Tyler, you were the first person on this thread to mention music:

“There was only singing - and it was all CCM, and it was shallow. It sounded like low-rent pop from the lesser radio stations with a Jesus gloss.”

In defense of there are parallel / overlapping threads - the other one here

http://sharperiron.org/filings/041817/33138

He perhaps conflated / confused the two

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TylerR

NewConflation

Thu, 04/20/17

Jim,

Yes, you’re right. My fault!

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.

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Larry Nelson

NewUnder the circumstances

Fri, 04/21/17

[TylerR]

It is a rule. Somehow, through some bizarre combination of circumstances, a discussion about Baptist fundamentalism will always turn to music. Smile

Mark Ward’s article identified “Traditional Worship” as one of four sine qua nons of fundamentalism. Once that gauntlet was thrown down, some were bound to take it up.

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Jay

NewFundamentalism should be distinct from worship styles

Fri, 04/21/17

I’ve been watching and reading these kinds of discussions for more than ten years now, I think, and I am still absolutely convinced that raising the style of music in worship to a ‘fundamental of the faith’ or as a prerequisite for ‘fundamentalists’ is a catastrophic mistake with massive, massive ramifications.

I’ve really surprised that so many of my fundamentalist brethren don’t see that as a problem and see it as a good thing.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

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Bert Perry

NewAlmost with Jay here

Fri, 04/21/17

I would rephrase his comment from 10:52 am today as “given the current state of arguments for traditionalist music in church services, I would see any attempt to make it a ‘fundamental of the faith’ as a catastrophic mistake.”

The difference I’m drawing; I want to leave the door open to someone demonstrating to me from Scripture that indeed things like drums and a blues beat ought not find a place in church services. That said, I’ve seen precious little in terms of arguments that can’t be described as mere “guilt by association.”

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

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