The brush is a bit too broad there. We could say of lots of thing that they “do not meet a need,” but can they help?
On the other hand, there are too many study Bibles and they’ve definitely become a big business. I’m just not ready to say the genre has no value.
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I like his ignorant poke at dispensationalism and the Scofield Study Bible:
One of the strangest aspects of American Christian culture to a foreigner like myself is the popularity of dispensationalism. There are probably many reasons for the large numbers of supporters this system commands in the New World but high among them is surely the role of the Scofield Reference Bible.
Like so many otherwise informed and intelligent men, he seems to believe that dispensationalists think the Scofield Study Bible functions as a defacto confession of faith. Sure it does, and Clarence Larkin’s charts are infallible, too …
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
The first Bible I got as a new Christian—a gift from a friend who saw me struggling with an RSV with no notes and a dense text—was at first a huge blessing as the notes explained a lot about the culture and such. As i grew in Christ and obtained some other references, I actually started blacking out the notes because I found my eyes always going to the “bling” (the notes) and not to the text.
What really gives me the heebie-jeebies, though, is a study Bible with the name of a pastor attached. By what logic do we get to do this? In a manner of speaking, it’s our Magisterium—a Papacy in a church that officially claims Sola Scriptura. Yes, you need some identification of the theological “bent” of the notes (hopefully footnotes that are in a smaller font), but let’s leave people’s names off of it.
[TylerR]…he seems to believe that dispensationalists think the Scofield Study Bible functions as a defacto confession of faith…
If study bible notes ought to be a used as a source and help to understand the text, then I would say the study bible functions for him as a de jure confession of faith.
If, without regard for whether the notes ought to be a source and help to understanding, he does read the study bible notes and uses them to understand the text, then those notes are a de facto confession of faith. They are functioning that way in fact.
I say this not to be picky, but because I’ve been thinking a lot about de jure, de facto lately.
…he seems to believe that dispensationalists think the Scofield Study Bible functions as a defacto confession of faith…
If study bible notes ought to be a used as a source and help to understand the text, then I would say the study bible functions for him as a de jure confession of faith.
If, without regard for whether the notes ought to be a source and help to understanding, he does read the study bible notes and uses them to understand the text, then those notes are a de facto confession of faith. They are functioning that way in fact.
I say this not to be picky, but because I’ve been thinking a lot about de jure, de facto lately.
Sorry, but when you said that you’re getting more into legal terms like this, I figured I had to tease you about possibly being in some legal process. (and my apologies and condolences if my joke is closer to reality than it ought to be)
Seriously, point well taken—I’d draw a line between de facto and de jure (perhaps de credo?) where the endorsement of a particular study Bible around when that, or a clear reference to it, makes its way into a church constitution or other statement of faith. And I’d perhaps differentiate it as de facto vs. de credo, or something like that.
And for the non-Latin lovers out there, de facto means it’s unofficial but nevertheless there, and de jure means that what you’re talking about is “of the law”, or required by law or code. And de credo would mean “according to belief” or “according to creed”. Either distinction differentiates between unofficial and official positions.
Love a lot of what Trueman writes, but this one was all over the place. Not sure if it was supposed to be completely satire, or he was actually arguing against the use of any kind of study Bible (with a dash of humor sprinkled in). And if he was arguing against study Bibles, his argument was…they foster dispensationalism? (But what about the Reformation Study Bible?) They make money for publishing companies? (But so do Bibles!) There’s too many of them? (Just like blogs?) There are too many that are “branded” with the name of a popular evangelical leader/pastor? (But isn’t the same true for books in general?)
And is a Presbyterian really arguing against the Geneva Bible study notes and hinting that King James was right to authorize a new translation simply because he wanted a Bible without the seditious Geneva Bible notes?
------- Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)
Pastor of Adult Ministries Grace Church, Des Moines, IA
Adjunct Instructor School of Divinity Liberty University
Two men I love to read. Bauder’s response was great. Especially loved the part about the Amish Romance. If you listen to The Mortification of Spin podcast then you know it comes up from time to time.
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NewBroad brush
The brush is a bit too broad there. We could say of lots of thing that they “do not meet a need,” but can they help?
On the other hand, there are too many study Bibles and they’ve definitely become a big business. I’m just not ready to say the genre has no value.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
NewThe "problem" of study Bibles is ..
The “problem” of study Bibles is the overreliance on the notes.
A judicious use of notes (with a good study Bible) is beneficial
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NewPoor Trueman
I like his ignorant poke at dispensationalism and the Scofield Study Bible:
Like so many otherwise informed and intelligent men, he seems to believe that dispensationalists think the Scofield Study Bible functions as a defacto confession of faith. Sure it does, and Clarence Larkin’s charts are infallible, too …
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
NewScofield Reference Bible
There are still fundamentalists who adhere to the Scofield style of dispensationalism.
At least the John R. Rice Reference Bible didn’t catch on.
The debate over reference Bibles may be as old as the Geneva Bible.
"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan
NewI overly relied on the Old Scofield Reference Bible ...
I overly relied on the Old Scofield Reference Bible in my pre-seminary life
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NewBlessing and curse
The first Bible I got as a new Christian—a gift from a friend who saw me struggling with an RSV with no notes and a dense text—was at first a huge blessing as the notes explained a lot about the culture and such. As i grew in Christ and obtained some other references, I actually started blacking out the notes because I found my eyes always going to the “bling” (the notes) and not to the text.
What really gives me the heebie-jeebies, though, is a study Bible with the name of a pastor attached. By what logic do we get to do this? In a manner of speaking, it’s our Magisterium—a Papacy in a church that officially claims Sola Scriptura. Yes, you need some identification of the theological “bent” of the notes (hopefully footnotes that are in a smaller font), but let’s leave people’s names off of it.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
Newde facto, de jure (pickiness)
If, without regard for whether the notes ought to be a source and help to understanding, he does read the study bible notes and uses them to understand the text, then those notes are a de facto confession of faith. They are functioning that way in fact.
I say this not to be picky, but because I’ve been thinking a lot about de jure, de facto lately.
NewHope you get acquitted!
Sorry, but when you said that you’re getting more into legal terms like this, I figured I had to tease you about possibly being in some legal process. (and my apologies and condolences if my joke is closer to reality than it ought to be)
Seriously, point well taken—I’d draw a line between de facto and de jure (perhaps de credo?) where the endorsement of a particular study Bible around when that, or a clear reference to it, makes its way into a church constitution or other statement of faith. And I’d perhaps differentiate it as de facto vs. de credo, or something like that.
And for the non-Latin lovers out there, de facto means it’s unofficial but nevertheless there, and de jure means that what you’re talking about is “of the law”, or required by law or code. And de credo would mean “according to belief” or “according to creed”. Either distinction differentiates between unofficial and official positions.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
NewNot legal, but theological and ecclesiological.
See the Formulary Controversy and this dissertation.
NewLove a lot of what Trueman
Love a lot of what Trueman writes, but this one was all over the place. Not sure if it was supposed to be completely satire, or he was actually arguing against the use of any kind of study Bible (with a dash of humor sprinkled in). And if he was arguing against study Bibles, his argument was…they foster dispensationalism? (But what about the Reformation Study Bible?) They make money for publishing companies? (But so do Bibles!) There’s too many of them? (Just like blogs?) There are too many that are “branded” with the name of a popular evangelical leader/pastor? (But isn’t the same true for books in general?)
And is a Presbyterian really arguing against the Geneva Bible study notes and hinting that King James was right to authorize a new translation simply because he wanted a Bible without the seditious Geneva Bible notes?
-------
Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)
Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA
Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University
NewI guess this means....
there won’t be any Trueman Study Bible!
NewBauder responds
http://www.centralseminary.edu/resources/nick-of-time/study-bibles
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NewTwo men I love to read.
Two men I love to read. Bauder’s response was great. Especially loved the part about the Amish Romance. If you listen to The Mortification of Spin podcast then you know it comes up from time to time.
NewBauder's footnote
I was waiting for ( Carl’s on the left mine on the right ) designation. You didn’t disappoint. emoji to indicate humor here.
NewReview of NIV Zondervan Study Bible
https://jenniferguo.wordpress.com/2015/11/13/niv-zondervan-study-bible-…
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