If the changes are not that significant, it would seem wiser to leave it alone.
As one who has recently started using the ESV a fair amount (MacArthur Study Bible), this is certainly another reason for me to continue to consider the NKJV as my primary English text.
How do I use my old ESV in class when it differs now in over a thousand verses with the new ESVs in my students’ hands?
Ever Pastor or teacher experiences this very same issue every time the Word is taught. It’s probably more of an issue in a church than in a seminary classroom. If you teach take an informal poll sometime: Who has the KJV? NIV? ESV? etc.
I didn’t see anything by way of significant change in the 27 pages
If you really wanted everyone to be on the same page (no pun intended) in a classroom — for memorization, etc. — you would have to have everyone buy the same ESV like a textbook, or else print it out, which would sort of defeat the purpose of promoting the ESV as your primary text to begin with.
The fact that the changes are not significant begs the question — why mess around with it??
(P.S. — I have noted several of these types of minor changes in various NKJV texts, but to my knowledge they have never done anything like this, and I hope they never get the idea to do a “NEW NKJV” as a sales booster. That would be a serious mistake, IMHO.)
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
Dr. Bill Barrick at Master’s Seminary cautioned all of us years ago when ESV first came out that we shouldn’t rush to change our pew Bibles. He said we should wait to so how many and what kind of revisions the committees would make in the subsequent years. He’s not down on the version, just mindful that in the early years of a version, changes are bound to come. In fact, he was involved in some stages of the translation, as was Dr. Mike Grisanti.
I’ve noticed the differences in my classes, though probably not as much as Varner has.
BTW, has anyone else seen the ESV with Apocyrpha? It’s only available through Oxford Press. It’s an evangelical translation of the books, all appended after Revelation.
Does anyone know if there’s a way to put together the new ESV changes in a Word document or in something other than that website? I wanted to read them, but the fake book format is making me crazy and is unprintable.
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
I don’t use ESV a great deal, so I don’t really “have a dog in the fight” but…. perusing the changes, I have to say that my impression is that ESV keeps getting better. On the other hand, you never know what sort of direction they might go down the road, and there are disadvantages to all these adjustments. Most of them would exist anyway in the typical congregation where people are not all using the same translation to begin with.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
This doesn’t trouble me one bit. I really don’t see what the kerfuffle is all about. Attempt to live whatever Bible version you are currently using and all will be well.
Make a batch of stickers on your computer. Print ‘em and pass out to your congregation to put inside the cover of their ESV.
“Note: This ESV text may contain terminology and phraseology hazardous to human communication. Caution is advised while teaching, studying or discussing material in this product. Examining context and reference material may suffice to mitigate related issues such as head-banging, fist-shaking and un-brotherly tongue-flapping.”
Or, teach a class on what they’re doing with the ESV so the people can at least have an idea of what’s going on. It’s still the Bible, right? Or is it a failed translation that needs to be disposed of and replaced by something else?
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NewThis is very discouraging...
If the changes are not that significant, it would seem wiser to leave it alone.
As one who has recently started using the ESV a fair amount (MacArthur Study Bible), this is certainly another reason for me to continue to consider the NKJV as my primary English text.
Church Ministries Representative, serving in the Midwest, for The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
NewNot discouraged
I didn’t see anything by way of significant change in the 27 pages
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NewIt certainly would discourage me...
If you really wanted everyone to be on the same page (no pun intended) in a classroom — for memorization, etc. — you would have to have everyone buy the same ESV like a textbook, or else print it out, which would sort of defeat the purpose of promoting the ESV as your primary text to begin with.
The fact that the changes are not significant begs the question — why mess around with it??
(P.S. — I have noted several of these types of minor changes in various NKJV texts, but to my knowledge they have never done anything like this, and I hope they never get the idea to do a “NEW NKJV” as a sales booster. That would be a serious mistake, IMHO.)
Church Ministries Representative, serving in the Midwest, for The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
Newwait for it
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NewIt's....
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
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Newa prescient caution
I’ve noticed the differences in my classes, though probably not as much as Varner has.
BTW, has anyone else seen the ESV with Apocyrpha? It’s only available through Oxford Press. It’s an evangelical translation of the books, all appended after Revelation.
M. Scott Bashoor Happy Slave of Christ
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NewMixed feelings
On the other hand, you never know what sort of direction they might go down the road, and there are disadvantages to all these adjustments. Most of them would exist anyway in the typical congregation where people are not all using the same translation to begin with.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
NewThis doesn't trouble me one
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NewOne more reason why you
1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.
NewWarning Stickers
“Note: This ESV text may contain terminology and phraseology hazardous to human communication. Caution is advised while teaching, studying or discussing material in this product. Examining context and reference material may suffice to mitigate related issues such as head-banging, fist-shaking and un-brotherly tongue-flapping.”
Or, teach a class on what they’re doing with the ESV so the people can at least have an idea of what’s going on. It’s still the Bible, right? Or is it a failed translation that needs to be disposed of and replaced by something else?
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