“…the god of evolution is an ogre who used a wasteful, brutal process to create life and the universe! At least Schneider is honest about what the evolutionary story means for theology (though, of course, he goes on to invent a way to explain evolution and a loving God).” - Ken Ham
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NewA problem for both views
Ham has some valid points here.
From the article he’s critiquing…
But there’s a problem with Ham’s rejection of this view as “the god of evolution is an ogre who used a wasteful, brutal process” etc. Ham would not deny that all of that kind of “wasteful, brutal” stuff became part of the creation after the Fall. The AiG view of evolution acknowledges that natural selection is a real thing, within limits.
But Scripture is clear that though God is not the author of evil, He orchestrated the Fall. Unless Ham is prepared to say that the Fall wasn’t planned by God, he has to acknowledge that “wasteful, brutal” is part of God’s work in the world.
If “orchestrated the Fall,” is a problem, there’s still the undeniable fact that God is the author of the curse. Creation groans because God wants it to groan.
So how is “wasteful, brutal” a bigger problem for theology before the Fall than it is after the Fall, if, in both cases, God is using it?
The argument doesn’t seem to work.
This part is interesting. Ham quoting Schneider, then responding…
He has a point here that “evils” were not included. However, there’s no denying that the “very good” included the fact that Adam and Eve were vulnerable to temptation and would certainly fall. This is within the scope of “very good,” because the glory of God is the whole point and there is nothing more good than that.
A case can be made that creation could not be messy and predatory before the Fall. But it needs a better argument than “God can’t use ‘evil’ for His purposes before the Fall”… because He clearly uses it for His purposes after.
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